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Добрый вечер!
Насколько реально можно получить инициацию Шефа по Интернету? Прочитал один американский сайт, там такое предлагают.
Заранее спасибо за ответы.

Alaafia!
Ответ от Iya Vassa.Что думаете по этому поводу?
RECEIVING ICOFA THROUGH THE MAIL
A brief statement for those concerned about receiving Icofa through the mail:
First, hundreds or thousands of years ago, there was no option as to how a Priest would relate to the client. It HAD to be in person. There was no other way of communicating. No Telegraph, no telephone, no mail, no Internet. Like so many unexamined things in life, once something has been done a certain way for long periods of time it is automatically assumed to be the “right” way. Strangely, this attitude does not extend to scientific advances. People had no trouble driving a car as opposed to a rig with horses. People had no trouble using the telephone, electricity, plumbing, television and the Internet rather then their previous, and less efficient, ways of dealing with the various issues. But in the area of spirituality it was quite different.
Why? Because Western Religion had created a dichotomy between your left brain (logical mind) and your right brain (spiritual/emotive mind). The rule was: “You can be either spiritual OR logical, but you can't be both!” On what basis the reached this conclusion I cannot fathom. Certainly they did not reach it logically!
In reality the Creative Force created us with not only the ability, but the necessity, of using our logical mind. Unlike ALL other living things, man has no instinct for survival. Our survival depends upon learning…and learning depends upon using our logic. The small child will always poke their finger in the pretty flame. Hopefully, they learn from the pain not to do it again. An animal instinctively avoids the fire without ever being taught.
Specifically, the Priest deals with Energy. The Priests ability to work with this energy should be virtually limitless. In reality, it is limited by the ability, development and world-view of the Priest themselves. For example, a Santeria/Lucumi Priest divining for a woman who sees an Odu calling for Ifa initiation, will never consider it…because in their world view women cannot be Ifa priests. They have self-limited themselves. A Priest who believes (rather than logically examines) that Divination must be done in person, is limiting their own ability to access energy and information to only a few feet. Why? Simply because that is the way it was done for hundreds of years. Not because that is the only way to do it.
The same applies to the Icofa. This, like most ceremonies, is a matter of a skilled Priest triangulating energy. The Client (recipient) really has nothing to do with the act of consecrating the Ikin for them. Unlike other ceremonies where the physical client becomes active in the triangulation (Initiation into Priesthood, Ifa, and Ori etc) where blood/energy is placed directly on the client, no such thing is part of an African Icofa ceremony. By the way, if you think sucking the brains out of a Chicken Head, or keeping the bones of a hen in your Ikin container have anything to do with your connection with the energy of Orunmila, you are wrong! These are simply the artifacts of the Catholic view that “things” (relics) have power. Africa has never used such objects, just as they have always given a minimum of 16 Ikin to BOTH men and women (you see how the Santeria/Lucumi world view begins to muddy the waters?). Or how about the demeaning sexist practices of having blindfolded women suck the neck of a decapitated hen while macho Babalawo watch. Do you believe this is essential to receiving the genuine energy of Orunmila? At any rate, the bottom line is that the energy we are dealing with is not confined to a few foot space anymore than a conversation can only take place face to face as it did for thousands of years. A skilled Priest is quite able to triangulate the energy of the sacrifice with the energy of the individual without having that individual standing next to them. The unskilled Priest cannot and should not. The Priest blinded by the past cannot… and should not. Indeed, logic would dictate that the effectiveness of the work will be in direct proportion to the skill and ability of the Priest that performs it. If that skill in working with energy is limited to, and defined only, by direct contact within a few feet, then the object itself will express those same limitations.
Energy is a living, constantly adapting force. In our world we see changes socially, economically, scientifically, politically and technologically continually manifesting themselves…and it is inconceivable ( and illogical) that the Creative Force would have failed to create Energy ( Orisa) that would not adapt and be totally able to interact with these changes. To think otherwise is to place yourself in the position of trying to fill the gas tank of your car with a bale of hay for fuel.
When we at the Ifa Foundation posted this information on the Ifa College site in answer to a question that was written in…we were hit by a huge amount of computer viruses that same day (more than the usually amount) in direct response from this.
Genuinely spiritual men and women may strongly disagree with one another, but they do it through dialogue not destruction. Those who attempt to destroy, rather than act with good character, simply add credence to our warnings about them and their world view.
So enjoy connecting with your powerful tool…and rest assured that even though you were not physically directly in front of the ceremony…you were connected in the triangulation.
Blessings, Iyanifa Vassa and Oluwo Philip Neimark
ICOFA
(Details on the process)
Thank you for expressing interest in receiving the powerful tool of Icofa (One Hand of Orunmila).
This is an energy that will provide you with many different pieces
that will add more to the value of your life.
First let me tell you why there is no need to be present…
When we make our Icofa's for an interested party,
We do them at the highest level of our ceremonies.
We prepare the day with offerings to Nana Buuken
(to balance the female side of the matrix)
while the Babalawos and Oluwo’s are doing their offerings and prayers to Igba Iwa. (to balance the male side of the matrix)
This is the Calabash of Existence, where the Sacred Odu lives.
Only initiated Ifa Priests can be present...so you could not be apart of any of the ceremonies…due to the level of intensity.
We then take your Ikin with your Esu rock and place them on the Sacred Grove mound where we will then do the prayers and offerings incorporating the intense vibrational energy of a female goat.
It is a very powerful high ceremony...unlike how other traditions make their Icofa’s for people.
We will then let the blood sit on your Ikin for three days.
At that time I will then remove the majority of the blood by wiping them off with Gin or Vodka. (we never use water on the Ikin)
I will pass them over to the Oluwo where he will then prepare and do your Ita reading.
This is a very important Life Path Reading.
(It is a different one from the one you would have received at the time you were finding out your Guardian Orisa)
Upon completing the Divination, the Oluwo will type up the information he discovers at your Ita and we will package up your Ikin, the Esu rock that lives inside with your Ikin as well as an ide for you to wear on your left wrist.
We will also include written material to teach you and guide you in how to work with your Ikin.
When you receive your package you may feel free to contact us and ask any questions you may have.
We are always here to answer questions.
Each and every month.... the Oluwo does an Icofa reading, which indicates the energy of that current month.
He posts it on our Ifa Foundation site for all those who have received their Icofa (One hand of Orunmila) …
so that they will be able to know what the tone of the month is and how to work best with it.
You will learn more about each Odu as well as how specific offerings and ebbos come into play.
You will be able to connect deeper and deeper each month with the source of wisdom and knowledge.
You will also have the knowledge of your path to work with.
This will enable you to gain more quality to your life and in a smoother way. Knowing more about how you filter your life will always bring more empowerment to all your endeavors.
The total cost for this Ifa tool is $450.
Each month we have an initiation ceremony that will include Icofa work. When you are ready we can make arrangements for you to have yours.
Blessings, Iyanifa Vassa and Oluwo Philip Neimark

RECEIVING ICOFA THROUGH THE MAIL
ПОЛУЧЕНИЕ ИКОФА ПОЧТОЙ


К этой теме подойдет стих из Оду Otura meji
Iro pipa kii wipe k'a ma lowo
Ile dida kii wipe k'a ma dagba
Sugbon ojo ati sun l'ebo.

ПЕРЕВОД
Обманывать – это вовсе не означает, что кто-то не станет богат
И разрывать соглашение не означает, что кто-то не доживет до старости
Но, в день смерти жертвоприношение будет потребовано.


О'кей, НЬЮ ЭЙДЖ!

For example, a Santeria/Lucumi Priest divining for a woman who sees an Odu calling for Ifa initiation, will never consider it…Например, жрец Сантерии/Лукуми, выполняющий предсказание для женщины, увидит, что Оду призывает к Ифа-инициации, никогда не примет во внимание этот факт. They have self-limited themselves. Он ограничил себя.


Интересно, какое Оду сообщает об этом? Филипп Неймарк, судя по тому, что выпустил совместную книгу с африканским Бабалаво Афолаби Эпега, наверное, был глух и не слышал своего учителя. Дело в том, что Афолаби Эпега родом из Оде Ремо (город в Западной Африке). Афолаби Эпега учился в свое время у Араба Оде Ремо. В Оде Ремо не проводят Ифа-инициации для женщин, есть только Апетеби (аналог Ишефа инициации). Поэтому я не вижу никаких проблем, если Бабалаво традиции Сантерия, сообщит, что женщина не может пройти полную Ифа инициацию. Дело не в ограничении! Все в энергетическом факте, который был, идентифицирован древними людьми йоруба. Ифа древняя традиция, которая опирается на энергетические факты, проверенные временем.


The Client (recipient) really has nothing to do with the act of consecrating the Ikin for them. Unlike other ceremonies where the physical client becomes active in the triangulation...where blood/energy is placed directly on the client, no such thing is part of an African Icofa ceremony.
Получающий не имеет никакого отношения к акту посвящения икин для них. В отличие от других церемоний, где инициированный активно участвует... когда кровь/энергия непосредственно помещается на клиента, такого не существует в африканской Икофа церемонии.


Африканская церемония, содержит нюанс размещение крови и более того, посвященный в этой церемонии активно участвует.



ICOFA
(Детали процесса)
First let me tell you why there is no need to be present…
Первое позвольте мне сообщить вам, почему не нужно присутствовать …
When we make our Icofa's for an interested party....

Дальше в тексте сообщается, что они делают жертвы для Igba Iwа, чтобы сбалансировать мужскую матрицу. Также приводят в порядок женскую матрицу. Просто кругом одна ШМАРТИЦА.

Зачем кормить Оду перед церемонией одна рука Орунмила?

Only initiated Ifa Priests can be present...so you could not be apart of any of the ceremonies…due to the level of intensity. Только инициированные жрецы Ифа могут присутствовать ..., так что вы не сможете быть не на одной из этих церемоний … из-за их уровня силы.

Проблема в том, никто не кормит Оду (Igba Iwa) перед этой инициацией.
Мы не найдем этого маразма в Ойо, Ибадане, Лагосе, Оде Ремо и других регионах Африки. Оду кормят только перед Итефа (полная Ифа инициация) или в других особых ситуациях.
Понятно, что они используют коммерческий ход, чтобы запудрить голову толстым американцам... Потом они сообщают, что кормят икин козой. Как они пишут общая стоимость этой инициации 450 $. Как вы думаете, сколько стоит коза в США? Если у нас один петух стоит 20$. Я предлагаю им во время этой церемонии жертвовать коровой! А что? Зачем им нужен "правильный" путь? Не стоит застревать в прошлом, нужно вырабатывать новое видение будущего, ведь мы живем в современном мире!

На этой церемонии в Африке козой не жертвуют.


At that time I will then remove the majority of the blood by wiping them off with Gin or Vodka. (we never use water on the Ikin) Тогда я очищу икин джином или водкой, мы никогда не используем воду ... И затем я передаю икин Олуво, который сделает чтение вашей дороги жизни и забудет выполнить ключевую церемонию ( ) в этой инициации, так как плохо учился и теперь не в чем себя не ограничивает, дабы возместить пропущенные уроки Ифа.

Во-первых, почему не было сказано о предварительной церемонии abori (кормление головы)? Эффективность этой важной первой церемонии может быть достигнута, как раз когда получающий икин присутствует. Затем другая церемония после idafa (предсказание), которая включает опять таки присутствие iyawo на церемонии. Этой церемонией многие американцы не отягощают себя.
Вся эта тема связанная с "инициацией по почте" мне напомнила об одном разговоре с сыном Араба Оде Ремо. В этому году сын Ара Баба был в Венесуэле. Он узнал от своих учеников, что один Бабалаво из традиции Сантерии провел за один день 30 инициаций Шефа. Он дал каждому по 1 икин. Вот такая вот история.


Iro pipa kii wipe k'a ma lowo
Ile dida kii wipe k'a ma dagba
Sugbon ojo ati sun l'ebo.
ПЕРЕВОД
Обманывать – это вовсе не означает, что кто-то не станет богат
И разрывать соглашение не означает, что кто-то не доживет до старости
Но, в день смерти жертвоприношение будет потребовано.

_________________
Если овца игнорирует мудрую рекомендацию она станет пищей для богов. (Стих из Оканран Овонрин)

Oluwo Fafemi Fatalabi Adesanya Awoyade
IJO ESIN EBILE BABALAWO EGBE IFA OGUNTI, ODE REMO
Fatalabi@gmail.com
+ 38 (097) 556 16 07

Abory Aboye !!!

Благодарю за ответ.
Mo dupe, Oluwo Fafemi Fatalabi.

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